i used to do this for a living. i used to give these town halls organized. bill: 20 or 30 people out there? you are talking 1000. >> it is mostly seniors. >> in pennsylvania yesterday, they all virtually said that they had received e-mails from groups organized to oppose health care. bill: that is not what they said. >> the only thing that is organized, the unions. look at their professionally made signs. tell me that when you have a bill that is based on political poison, tax increases, half of a trillion dollars, penalties for businesses, increasing the national debt, cutting money for medicare, you cannot expect anything -- >> do you really believe that these are non-organized spontaneous outpourings of democracy? then you believe in the tooth fairy. >> oh, yeah. >> to suggest that they are not organized by groups on the other side that are spending their time making sure that they're making handwritten signs, if you think that that is spontaneous, i have got a bridge to sell you. >> polls reflect what i am saying. you cannot fudge the numbers. 60% of ind